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Beyond win-lose / Can you hear me now? 9

gma31990A couple of years ago at a convention, I made a passing comment about family dissonance during a Q&A. “If you’re getting serious pressure from a religious family member about raising your kids without religion—Mom, Grandpa, mother-in-law, whoever—you need to address it directly. Don’t assume that it will get better with time. It will usually get worse.” Something like that.

After the talk, a gentleman cornered me in the ballroom. Great advice, he said. In fact, I just talked to my mother-in-law a few months ago and laid down the law.

(Ruh roh.)

What follows is as exact a transcription of his story as I could manage by scribbling it on a hotel pad a few minutes later:

I sat her down and said, “Okay, look. Let’s get some things straight. I am not going to apologize to you or anyone else about raising my kids without religious brainwashing. I don’t know why you are so obsessed with this. It’s no big deal that we don’t go to church. In fact, if we can get the kids to the age of eighteen without seeing the inside of a church, I’ll consider it a great success. I don’t want to hear any Jesus-this or Jesus-that around the kids. If we can agree on that, you can spend time with them.”

Just seven words in, she would have lost the ability to hear him as the blood began pounding defensively in her ears. No one can really hear and think under this kind of assault. And the veiled threat at the end is a particularly nice touch.

To get a real taste of just how this sounds to religious Grandma, reverse the poles a bit. Imagine you’re a secular humanist grandparent with a religious adult child, who says to you:

Okay, look. Let’s get some things straight. I am not going to apologize to you or anyone else about raising my kids without atheistic brainwashing. I don’t know why you are so obsessed with this. It’s no big deal that we’re keeping the kids out of science class. If we can get the kids to the age of eighteen without seeing the inside of a science book, I’ll consider it a great success. I don’t want to hear any evolution-this or science-that around the kids. If we can agree on that, you can spend time with them.

Ow, ow, ow. That’s about where this guy left his mother-in-law. Fight or flight. He looked at me for affirmation.

“Oh…okay,” I said, hesitantly. “And, uh…how’s it goin’?”

“Well,” he said, “we haven’t spoken since then. But I won.”

Aw geez. He’d missed the whole point.

Now I don’t know anything else about this guy’s situation. Maybe this woman put him through ten kinds of hell and deserved nothing more or less than to be cut off at the knees. Maybe there was no hope of achieving anything beyond that self-satisfying gofuckyourself. But even if the former is true, the latter almost never is.

If his situation was like 95 percent of those I’ve seen or heard described, his “I won” showed that he misunderstood both the problem and the solution. What did he win—the right to raise his child without religion? As the parent, he’d already “won” that right (barring inter-spousal differences — another post.) If his mother-in-law is actively, directly controlling his parenting decisions, he has a different (and much larger) problem, one that his monologue did nothing to solve.

In most cases, the problem isn’t that Grandma is actively preventing you from parenting the way you want—it’s that an atmosphere of tension and dissonance and poison is created by your differences. Sometimes that atmosphere can turn into something more concrete—sneaky proselytizing of the kids, demanding that other family members choose sides, or outright shunning—but it’s the tension itself that’s at the root. Reduce the tension around your differences and you reduce the symptoms of the tension as well.

Whenever I say this in my seminars, I see a half dozen heads shaking slowly. I know what they’re thinking. There’s no point. She’s never going to change her mind, and I’m sure as hell not going to change mine.

This is where we go wrong—by thinking that changing someone’s mind is the only goal of such a conversation. If it was, they’d be right. There’d really be no point. But one of the central idea of this little series is that changing minds is not the only way forward.

What’s needed in these situations is not victory but détente.

hk3499Anyone who lived in the U.S during the Nixon years tends to hear that French word spoken with a German accent. Whenever Kissinger said, “Vee ah voorking vithin a framevoork of détente vith de Zoviets,” I thought it meant, “We agree not to bomb each other for now.” Turns out détente is a much more interesting vurd meaning “a relaxation of tensions and building of mutual confidence.” It is not a ceasefire nor a compromise, but something designed to make an actual exchange of warheads less likely. In the Cold War, détente meant (among many other things) exchanging ballet companies and art exhibits and such to show each other our human sides.

I do think it’s best to sit down and address tensions about your nonreligious parenting with any religious family member who is especially distressed by it. The key is to aim for a reduction in tension, not a “win.” You’re the parent. You’ve already “won” the right to do your thing. What you want is to scale back the tension and discomfort resulting from those choices so your kids can grow up in the best possible family situation. And you can do it without giving up anything. That’s détente.

Next time I’ll share my thoughts on how to do that.

This was written on Friday, 04. December 2009 at 11:58 and was filed under Can You Hear Me Now?, Kerfuffles, Parenting, belief and believers, extended family, nonbelief and nonbelievers, peace. You can keep up with the comments to this article by using the RSS-Feed.

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  2. Those are great points and clearly helpful for defusing a lot of different situations. I was particularly thinking of related issues of differing religious beliefs in an immediate family where the same negative outcomes you describe can result from failure to work towards common goals and reducing tensions.

    Comment: atimetorend – 04. December 2009 @ 12:56 pm

  3. Good point, but I think he threw gasoline on the fire long before those first seven words. The problem began with “I just talked to my mother-in-law.” I think in the vast majority of cases, it’s really important for each parent to handle these things with their own family members. Otherwise you have someone who is necessarily a bit tone-deaf about family-of-origin culture creating a showdown and coming off as an interloper who has driven a wedge between the spouse and their family. it doesn’t matter if that’s the farthest thing from the truth – I think most religious families will interpret things to make their kid a true believer who’s been led astray (and who could be brought back), and by telling your in-laws what’s what like this, you would just be feeding that view.

    Looking forward to the suggestions for handling this better!

    Comment: Cogito – 04. December 2009 @ 2:14 pm

  4. @Cogito: An excellent point in the case of a “telling what’s what” approach. In the case of the more productive and empathetic approach I’ll spell out next time, it can work well either way. Depends on the particulars of the relationship and the people in it.

    Comment: Dale – 04. December 2009 @ 2:20 pm

  5. Thanks Dale! You are exactly right about the tension. That is becoming a problem with me and my mother (and will be with the rest of the family once they begin to suspect). My husband and I have been trying to come up with the best approach in telling her the whole truth about our worldview. I look forward to your suggestions next time! :)

    Comment: NyssaBurks – 04. December 2009 @ 2:52 pm

  6. Cogito: You assume his wife is also a skeptic/humanist/whatever. That might not be the case. In my own experience, if my mother-in-law crosses the line, I know it will fall to me to have the “conversation”. My wife just wouldn’t care.

    Comment: Charles – 04. December 2009 @ 4:59 pm

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  8. Wow, what amazing timing. I just found out tonight my mother-in-law has recently been indoctrinating the kids (age 4 and 6) behind our backs. I’m furious, but maybe I’ll try to take a different approach to what I really feel like taking right now.

    I’m just so angry! She actually told my kids they needed to believe in God and Jesus so they could go to a big party in heaven (apparently described in very vivid over-the-top detail) and get candy and meet my husband’s deceased father. And she told them that Mommy and Daddy don’t get to go because we don’t believe in God. So not only do they now say they believe in God, they also feel they need to convince us. She seriously gave no prior indication she was going to do anything like this.

    Comment: Jellybean82 – 05. December 2009 @ 1:01 am

  9. Thanks.What a great post! I was just recommended to read your books from a friend of mine after I told her about my family stuggles with religion. Just had a visit from the in-laws, during which time my mother-in-law kept quizing my daughter on who is “GOD.” I look forward to reading your books and catching up on this blog.

    Comment: jennay – 05. December 2009 @ 9:42 pm

  10. @Charles:

    Even if the other spouse is a believer of some sort (glad I don’t have to deal with that!), I would think it’s vital for the parents to come to an agreement about what exposure their children will have to religion, and then for both parents to defend that plan to their respective circles.

    Comment: Cogito – 07. December 2009 @ 5:32 pm

  11. I thought that I found a wonderful solution with my mother-in-law. First of all, she lives in Europe while my immediate family is in Texas. My mother-in-law was being questioned about my daughter’s baptism.

    I, of course, have no objection to my daughter being baptized, but I do not want to make the promises that I would have to if I were to participate in the ritual. My wife, however, is less reticent about lying to priests, so she would be reluctantly willing to participate in the ritual. The solution was obvious. My wife and mother-in-law should have my daughter “secretly” baptized. I loved the irony of offering up this solution given that that I am the one that this should be “secret” from.

    It turned out that the whole thing was unnecessary. My wife and my mother-in-law simply agreed to tell the various great aunts that we had had our daughter baptized in the US. It turned out that upon clearer communication, it wasn’t a big deal for my mother-in-law in the first place.

    I think my willingness to accommodate her wishes went a long way to making this not a point of confrontation.

    Comment: Jeffrey Goldberg – 16. December 2009 @ 1:01 pm

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